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- From: Annius Groenink <Annius.Groenink@let.ruu.nl>
- Subject: Re: MiNT TO UNIX
- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 09:46:57 +0100 (MET)
- In-Reply-To: <199401180757.AA09360@avignon.daimi.aau.dk> from "Christian Lynbech" at Jan 18, 94 08:57:14 am
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- > I do not agree with Annius that
- > > "Re: If MiNT goes UNIX then Atari goes down the Trash Can (remember that?)"
- >
- > Different people has different preferences, and there is going to be
- > many ordinary GEM/MULTITOS/MiNT users left which are perfectly happy
- > with their TOSfs systems. MiNT is such an improvement, even to
- ^^^^^
- I don't see what file system types should have to do with the more basic
- choice for a general attitude towards a system as a whole (such as: how
- do we solve the what-can-be-found-where problem.)
-
- I think you understand perfectly well what my title means. It means that
- if Atari users get more and more used to UNIX software they will in the
- end (when they finally upgrade their STEs) buy something from a different
- manufacturer. Atari's TOS is one of the parts that should make you like
- the machine. If you don't, then what makes you want to stick to Atari
- (and don't come up with the argument about your STE, because really, I should
- like to see your reaction when a PC user says he sticks to WordPerfect because
- it runs well on his 286).
-
- > ordinary TOS users, and not everybody wants to put their data under
- > some obscure, unknown new file format (though superior in many ways).
-
- Oh, I wasn't talking about obscure, new formats. I was just suggesting that
- we might come up with something INTERESTING instead of the boring ancient
- UNIX path structures (think of the SCRAP directory, i.e. something more
- Mac-ish).
-
- > He also said:
- > > You're not going to admit in your next letter that you are satisfied
- > > with a 80x25 column terminal screen, are you?
- >
- > No, but given the size of the standard atari B/W monitor, the text
- > screen isn't that bad. There are limits to the number of windows you
- > can conveniently use on such a small screen. And for a die-hard emacs
- > and latex user as me, I can (and do) live with it.
-
- There is no 'standard atari monitor'. There was, five years ago. Atari
- users now have 1024x768 or more. BTW, how do you preview your LaTeX files?
- In your head, I suppose?
-
- > Chris Herborth writes:
- > > But wouldn't it make more sense, for you, to find a really cheap used
- > > '386 with 4M of RAM (_very_ common, and should be < $1000 almost anywhere)
- > > and run Linux? You'd be able to set it up 100% UNIX right now, and you
- > > wouldn't have to wait for the "MiNT goes UNIX" group (if it ever formed)
- > > to get around to setting everything up.
- >
- > I *really* don't have the money at the moment. My financial situation
- > is shakey enough as it is :-(, but this is of course the way to go,
- > since any 68000 box is lacking power and ressources.
-
- So you decide to spend 4 years trying to 'upgrade' MiNT to look as close to
- UNIX as you can get. After four years, your STE breaks down. You buy a
- septium machine or whatever they will have by that time.
-
- > But this isn't really the issue. I'm not the only one interested in a
- > unix-like solution, and MiNT is so deceivingly close already now. I
- > will not be satisfied with the old ways, I just can't help it :-).
-
- May I remind the right honourable gentleman that UNIX is much older than
- TOS?
-
- > Chris also writes:
- > > > [...stuff about i) fs standards or ii) making porting/configuring easy...]
- > > Definitely the second option, but I'd certainly settle for #1 in the
- > > mean-time. :-)
- >
- > I do not see a contradiction here. For one, a decent bourne shell and
- > a fully working test program, lets you configure most GNU software
- > pretty easy, already now. But some fs standard would give additional
- > benefits:
- >
- > 1) Less need of patching.
- > Adding some environment variable requirement, probably means that you
- > still need to patch even GNU packages, and this is somewhat a pain,
- > when the next version of (say) the fileutils are out.
-
- The patching time is hugely compensated by the time gained if you don't
- use the GNU stuff but things as Mupfel and Pure C.
-
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